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PurplePants
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 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Server maths |
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Evening all
Been noticing some wierdness on the server re finishing positions. Just caught it doing the biz tonight again: when you cross the line and look at the driver position they're as expected, but when the end game positions pop up some positions are different. Typically, I notice when I'm pipped to the post but the scoreboard shows me as winning.
Here's a couple of screenies to demonstrate:
This is taken after crossing the finish line. Notice that c0bby says "Annoyed there..., had it in the bag really" 'cos he lost that, as the rankings shows.
This is the same race moments later when the final scoreboard pops up. Notice how c0bby is shown as having won, Middenrat have jumped up several places, and other players (me included) have been shuffled around.
I'm pretty sure this didn't used to happen. Only been seeing it over the last week or so. Seems to be more common with a full server. |
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Steve
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| PurplePants + Cobby wrote: | | Annoyed there..., had it in the bag really |
No win is 'in the bag' when im in 2nd 
And i dont know why its doing that... although, it looks like a problem with Trackmania, and not mad's server. |
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mad
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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I understand cobby changing places as there is sometimes some lag between players and the server. This leads to the impression you've lost by a small amount but when the times are compared you win by a small amount. The lag is normally in the region of 1/4 of a second or similar and is caused by your ping.
What I don't understand is the times actually change... by large amounts. Your time is clearly shown as 2.26 and then suddenly its 2.09:92 now that makes no sense at all to me.......... and most of the top ten have the same time problem.....
Some hacks exist for TM would could confuse it..... I'm looking into them. |
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PurplePants
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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I understand about the lag, but that's why I thought this set of screenies would be more useful - the first one is clearly correct even if I'm lagging since c0bby (and Steve) agree with it. If one is wrong then it has to be the second one, but I assume that's generated by the server (since it awards ladder points) so must be right.
Gotta admit I'm a bit surprised no-one else has noticed, which implies it's my system. I recently applied the latest patch (which adds better CP info) so I guess that's suspect. I'll try a different laps server, if I can find a busy one. |
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Middenrat
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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the 'live' CP updater in bottom right is slow and inaccurate in my game, often failing to record the final sector correctly. Perhaps the Tab screen in fig1 is behaving similarly, displaying a mix of partial data from both the final and penultimate CP.
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Ste-Unit
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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those final times have got to be the times recorded through checkpoint 11, as the the top 6 'finishing' times on the podium screen are faster than the number 1 record by the king. Somehow the first screen shows the ACTUAL finishing times and the second shows the checkpoint 11 times.
weird though, it might have something to do with you holding tab to view the finishing times when the times gets to 0. |
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PurplePants
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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@Midden: I think the tab screen is right, not just because of the c0bby thing but also because you can see that MyBoozyHell has a time of 2:16.50 and that's confirmed by the server giving him record 37 for it. On the scoreboard he's credited with 2:00.70 which must be wrong.
@Ste:
| Quote: | | the second shows the checkpoint 11 times. |
Yes, good catch |
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mad
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| latest patch....... didnt know their was one... I need to be more alert. |
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Pepper
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Be careful, i read there was a lot of bug with it... It could become worse than it is already...  |
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c3b
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| never heard of the latest patch either |
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Ste-Unit
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| DaPepper wrote: | | Be careful, i read there was a lot of bug with it... It could become worse than it is already... |
think i'm happy with the game as it is then.. |
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PurplePants
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DanTheMan
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| Quote: | Here is a fix (optional patch) for the game about various things like:
-improved checkpoint time deltas
-closing of application in laps mode
-hide to close modified in cam 3
-force opponent visible keep hide to close and set number
-very high shadow problems on some graphic boards
-reflections in desert water in more configurations
-259 to 260 medals crash removed
-fixed map browsing of personal campaign
-stereoscopic additional modes
-spectator cam fixes
-maniacode play_track on same track working
-update custom challenge score at download
-various small interface glitches
You can download it here
Nations: http://files2.trackmaniaforever.com/TmNationsForever_Fix_2008-06-10_Setup.exe
United: http://files2.trackmaniaforever.com/TmUnitedForever_Fix_2008-06-10_Setup.exe |
| Quote: | | closing of application in laps mode |
What does this mean??
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PurplePants
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Just tried this on a different server and got the same effect. It's actually quite obvious if you know what to look for now (i.e. the last CP times). I assume it's the patch that's caused this so I've added a comment to the patch notification about it. |
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PurplePants
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What does this mean?? |
Dunno, but I assumed it was that problem we had the other week where TM would crash at the end of nearly every track on Mad Laps. |
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DanTheMan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | After playing FET3 this evening I can say that it's now possible to see CP times from the players passing behind you, and hide to close is working when forced visible opponents is on (hide to close is not only fixed for cam 3, but also other cams. Hide to close didn't work with other cams either before the fix). |
Looks like the`ve fixed it!!
But, Do not inatall till u have read the forum, will not work with steam d/l
PP, have u downloaded and installed as it isn`t a mandatory update, the onus is on you to d/l??
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PurplePants
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, this is the patch that I think is causing the problem. It does indeed show the CP times of the following players (which is the main attraction of it for me). I think that fix might have screwed up the scoreboard.
Bit of a quandary here. On the one hand it's nice to know who really won, but it's very useful to see just how far ahead you are during the race. |
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DanTheMan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| DanTheMan wrote: | | Quote: | Here is a fix (optional patch) for the game about various things like:
-improved checkpoint time deltas
-closing of application in laps mode
-hide to close modified in cam 3
-force opponent visible keep hide to close and set number
-very high shadow problems on some graphic boards
-reflections in desert water in more configurations
-259 to 260 medals crash removed
-fixed map browsing of personal campaign
-stereoscopic additional modes
-spectator cam fixes
-maniacode play_track on same track working
-update custom challenge score at download
-various small interface glitches
You can download it here
Nations: http://files2.trackmaniaforever.com/TmNationsForever_Fix_2008-06-10_Setup.exe
United: http://files2.trackmaniaforever.com/TmUnitedForever_Fix_2008-06-10_Setup.exe |
| Quote: | | closing of application in laps mode |
What does this mean?? |
Means run time errors
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Ste-Unit
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Florent wrote: | | PurplePants wrote: | Other way around: the list popped up by tab is fine but the final scoreboard is wrong. I got a coupla screenies to demo, attached to this. Note that in finishline.jpg c0bby is noting that he lost, so the positions shown here are correct. In scoreboard.jpg he's shown as winning. The times are those from CP 11 (which you can verify from finishline.jpg for those that haven't yet finished).
Also, myBoozyHell has captured a record of 2:16:50 which is credited to him by the server (in finishline.jpg). The times match up there so that's correct, whereas in scoreboard.jpg he's shown as finishing in 2:00.70. This time is clearly wrong (and is the CP 11 time). |
it works with the beta server. This is happening with people using the fix on previous dedi server. |
taken from the FIX topic from TM-forum. |
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PurplePants
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah. I PM'd him to make sure he was aware of that thread. Apparnetly, he wasn't. |
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